>> well, michael grunwald wrote our story, and he cites this biography of came out on rubio i believe last year which actually determined that the grandfather was an undocumented immigrant who came from cuba. but again, because of the cold war, because of what was -- the post-cuban missile crisis era, he was grandfathered in, as it were, as a citizen which couldn't have happened if he was a mexican or el salvadorian or whatever. because he was cuban. >> what about the concerns that he sort of isn't mature enough in politics? >> you know, richard haass, one of your frequent guests, had me come to the council last year and do a q&a with rubio on foreign policy. i found him amazingly astute and mature to ask a question and understanding of foreign policy issues that was actually deep and subtle. i don't -- you know, he's very youthful looking, but he feels like an old soul at the same time. despite the fact that he likes hip-hop. >> you're really selling this guy. those are some bold words. >> i want to kind of override the jinx. >> the jinx. >> it's a big one. you also talk about the co